Showing posts with label Portugal. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Portugal. Show all posts

Tuesday, October 11, 2016

Portugal Flagged ?

The flag to the left is the flag of Portugal used between 1578 to 1640, by Portugal.

This blog post really has nothing to do with the flag of Portugal, but rather something I ran across in the recent past that I 'flagged' (mark for attention or treatment in a specified way), concerning Portugal.

What I flagged was something I came across on the Collins DNA Project. A researcher claims to descend from Valentine Collins and shows country of origin as Portugal.


I descend from 2 of Valentine Collins' son's, David Collins my direct male line, and because of inter-family marriage, Joshua Collins. Since my Valentine Collins line(s) are brick-walled at Valentine, I have no idea what our country of origin is.  Our Y-DNA haplogroup is an African haplogroup (E1b1a1a1d1 aka E-CTS10652). Does that make our country of origin an African country ? I think probably so, but without more facts and documentation I can't be 100% sure, I'm stuck at 99%. But I do know if you go back far enough this line(s) in fact do go back to Africa.

Another issue is this researchers  Y-DNA results do not match the DNA results of 2 Valentine Collins lines that are well researched. That's a subject for another post, coming soon.

I have no reason to believe the Valentine Collins line has an origin in Portugal. No family lore, no documentation, no DNA matches, either with Y-DNA or atDNA (FTDNA's Family Finder, or GEDmatch), none in Portugal, the Azores, Brazil, or any of the Portuguese community's in the U.S.

The only 'family lore' I grew up with is 'we were once Indians'.
 
Y-DNA of Portugal
"A large majority of the male lineages (85%) could be classified as belonging to three basic haplogroups, R1b, J, and E1b1b. While R1b, accounting for more than half of the lineages, is a characteristic marker of many different West European populations, haplogroups J and E1b1b and its subclades consist of lineages that are typical of the circum-Mediterranean region. Haplogroup I is also found but with a lower frequency than R1b. The typical Berber haplogroup E1b1b1b (M81) has little relevance, it is only found at a frequency of 5–6%."

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Portugal

The Portuguese claim is an old myth concerning the people who were called Melungeons. Where this myth started I have no idea. I do know that the majority of Portuguese people are of the Caucasian race, as were the early inhabitants of Portugal (Lusitanians). This is contrary to the myth often stated that the  people who were called Melungeons got their dark skin tones from the Portuguese.
 
 Here are two quotes from articles on the subject by researchers that I respect.....all text is copyright the authors......

From the August 2002  issue of Tennessee Ancestors "Opening Doors in Melungeon Research" written by Pat Spurlock:

"Another tradition concerning Melungeon origins is that they are Portuguese. This is because of testimony given by some historical people stating they were Portuguese, "Portygee" or other variation, or at least that is what the listener thought was said.

Hopping from 1750 Virginia and North Carolina to the Mediterranean or anywhere else takes more than a leap of faith. To my knowledge, no researcher has yet documented these stated ties to Portugal. Assuredly, many Americans whose families came to this country hundreds of years ago may have originated in Portugal, but "Portuguese" is not an ethnic catchall to apply randomly to hearsay evidence, or even worse, to no evidence at all.

Statements made before 1900 referring to the Melungeons as Portuguese cannot, to my knowledge, be traced to original Melungeon oral history, church, civil, or legal documents. Any such post-1900 statements likely came from ideas found in newspapers and popular magazines."

This second article from  BanjoHistory.com , October 1, 2002, "Mellungeons and Myth" written by George R. Gibson:

 "It appears to me that the debate about Melungeons has more to do with creating myths about ones ancestors than it does with exploring the historical record. Some genealogists deny that any Melungeon families had African ancestry. They describe Melungeons as a people with Indian and European ancestry.

These researchers ignore the early mixing of eastern Indian tribes with Africans as well as Europeans. Some claim a group of Portuguese sailors, stranded in early America, mixed with native Indians and later with Europeans to form Melungeon families. I find no evidence for this in the historical record. If this theory were true, however, Melungeons would still have some African ancestry.

Atlantic Creoles, with both Portuguese and African ancestry, would have had a large presence among any group of Portuguese sailors in early America. There are other theories that claim Melungeons have Turkish, Gypsy, Jewish or some other ancestry. There is no doubt that there was a remarkable mixture of people in early America. There is little evidence at this time, however, to support the more exotic claims for Melungeon ancestry."

http://www.banjohistory.com/article/detail/2_mellungeons_and_myth 

I find it interesting that both these articles were written in 2002, but yet the Portuguese myth is still alive on the World Wide Web, go figure ?
 
Another often overlooked important historical event was the Treaty of Todesillas:

 http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1028.html

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tordesillas


 

Friday, July 10, 2015

Examining the Melungeon Phoenician and Carthaginian Origin Myth

One of the oldest myths / theories / folk tales about the origin of the Melungins, is that they originally came from Phoenicia (Canaanites)  then to Carthage then to Portugal, then to the East Coast of what is now the United States of America.

I've often wondered where this information has it's roots.  What documentation is this based on ? There doesn't seem to be any. I put a pencil to all this and here are the results:

Conservative historian's claim Phoenicia was founded about 1550 BC (some say about 3000 BC) and lasted until about 300 BC. Carthage was established about 814 BC and disestablished 146 BC

Using the 146 BC date and a conservative arrival date to the East Coast of America of 1700, that is a total of 1846 years. Using 25 years as being a generation, that calculates to 73.84 generations.

73 generations is going far back in time. I don't know of any genealogists that have been that lucky to go back 73 generations. I know a few descendents of the people who were called Melungins, most have a problem going back 10 or 12 generations, if that far.

This does not even consider that surnames weren't used that far back.

This brings us to the adage: 'genealogy without documentation is mythology'.

That's my 2 cents....
 
 

Thursday, February 26, 2015

Treaty of Tordesillas

I often wonder why the 'Treaty of Tordesillas' is often overlooked by  Mixed Blood / Portuguese theorists.

It was a very important document in World history, Portuguese history, Spanish history, and the history of the Americas.......... 

Treaty of Tordesillas, (tōrˌħāsēˈlyäs), 1494, agreement signed at Tordesillas, Spain, by which Spain and Portugal divided the non-Christian world into two zones of influence. In principle the treaty followed the papal bull issued in 1493 by Pope Alexander VI, which fixed the demarcation line along a circle passing 100 leagues W of the Cape Verde Islands and through the two poles. This division gave the entire New World to Spain and Africa and India to Portugal. However, the Treaty of Tordesillas shifted the demarcation line to a circle passing 370 leagues W of the Cape Verde Islands and thus gave Portugal a claim to Brazil. There was little geographic knowledge at the time the treaty was signed, and it remains controversial whether the Portuguese then knew of the existence of Brazil. 

The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 6th ed. Copyright © 2012, Columbia University Press. All rights reserved.

 Here is a map that shows how the world was divided up by the 'Treaty of Tordesillas'.......... 
 
 
A map of the Portuguese Empire, post 'Treaty of Tordesillas...............
 



The Portuguese are a proud people, their history is well documented, by the Portuguese themselves.


Thursday, November 6, 2014

The Soul of Portugal

Fado - The Soul of Portugal
In my search for my Collins family history, I keep running into references to Portugal. Portugal is often referenced as a 'Mediterranean' country, when not one square inch touches the Mediterranean Sea, it's on the Atlantic Ocean.

If you run a Google search: "portuguese", "melungeon", you will find about 17,900 matches. These matches consist of theory, discussion, myth, copy/pastes, and lots of misinformation.

So far, I have found no connection between my family and Portugal, in fact I have no reason to believe they ever claimed 'Portyghee'. The only possible connection could be my first male Collins ancestor could have come from a Portuguese African Colony.

Researching Cultural roots of Mixed Bloods, is both interesting and can be complicated. So I set up a 'home made' system to examine the different ethnicity's / cultures / races.  I call it 'Cultural Footprints' , consisting of language, the table (food), religion and music.

 
Researching the Portuguese 'cultural musical footprint' in 2006, I came across a Portuguese musical genre called 'Fado'. I can remember finding this video sung by the African born Fadista Marzia on YouTube. It was the first Fado I'd ever heard, it touched my soul, and I have been a Fado fan since that day. In fact, I'm listening to some Fado tunes as I am typing this. I have 21 Fado albums with 350 songs on my iPod. I really did become a fan. I even got to attend a Marzia concert in April of 2009 at the Lensic Theater up in Santa Fe, NM

"Musicologists have a lot of theories (of the origin of Fado) but we don't have a correct theory," Mariza, a well-known Fado singer, said by phone from her Lisbon home. "But I think the most correct one is that it's a mix between (the music of) African slaves and (Portuguese) sailors."

Below are two videos concerning the history of Fado:




 
 
 
In conclusion: I just couldn't tie this cultural footprint into Southern Appalachian culture, somehow Mariza doesn't have the sound of singers Loretta Lynn or Patty Loveless or even Patsy Cline or vice versa. Just different types of music with a different sound, from different cultures.

If any reader would like to listen to / view Fado concerts just click one of these
links:
 
 Mariza - Terra em concerto (Santarèm 2008)
 
 Cristina Branco (Une diva du Fado) live
 
 Mariza-Concerto Completo (London)
 
 Amalia Rodrigues, Live in New York
 
Mariza - Concerto em Lisboa




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